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petesa
On The Green

Spain
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Posted - 11/02/2016 :  19:50:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The pound is in free fall again after making good recovery last year, July seen as the highest against the Euro, its since plummeted 12% and will more than likely go lower with a run up to the referendum on Euro exit, the case being the likelihood of an exit becoming more possible.
Id hate to think of this happening, the Spanish would really get there teeth in to us.

pricemi
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Spain
3967 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2016 :  20:09:25  Show Profile  Visit pricemi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Do you mean "the Spanish would really get there teeth in to us" if there was a Brexit? I don't see why?

Mike
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petesa
On The Green

Spain
541 Posts

Posted - 13/02/2016 :  10:23:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pricemi

Do you mean "the Spanish would really get there teeth in to us" if there was a Brexit? I don't see why?



Come on lets face it, the Spanish already make things pretty difficult for the Brits, Im in business here too, for 19 years, used to be property when it was good, now Currencies, so my insight in Brexit is slightly different. I could name you a dozen reasons but lets just give you a couple of simple ones, not forgetting anything to create funding.
As a non EU resident you would have to take another driving test, declare your last 5 years tax returns,coming to your holiday home needing a visa. Mind you you would probably need one for Scotland too.
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vicky
On The Green

Spain
512 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  07:22:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Norway is not part of the EU. Do they need visas to visit their holiday homes?

Vicky
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petesa
On The Green

Spain
541 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  11:26:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by vicky

Norway is not part of the EU. Do they need visas to visit their holiday homes?

Vicky

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Good point Vicky, apparently they have unrestricted travel in Europe.
With the Brits though if Brexit happened they would in all likelihood stop the free flow of European immigrants eg Romanians etc which is what the majority want, I think if that happened we would need visas on our trips in Europe. Another point worth mentioning is the purchase of holiday homes, that free movement of capital would not apply to us Brits, which would create higher taxation on purchases and existing properties. Its also very unlikely that pension increases would be paid, just like they got out of the cold allowance payment Just hope people see sense, people vote with there wallet though so some will benefit and others wont.
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auntiebb
On The Green

United Kingdom
522 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  13:53:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
None of us know how coming out of the EU would affect those of us in Spain but I can't imagine it would be a good thing. Complications with pensions, taxes and health care are just a few things that come to mind.

British persons who are resident in the EU will be allowed to vote in the forthcoming referendum providing they have been on the electoral role in the UK during the past 15 years.

I will be voting to stay in the EU and I hope that other ex-pats will not be apathetic about the referendum and make the effort to vote. There are 2 million ex pats living in Europe and this could have a real impact on the result if those who can vote do so.
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pricemi
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Spain
3967 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  14:12:09  Show Profile  Visit pricemi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Brits went to Spain on holiday and to their holiday homes, and bought property, well before the EU became what it is today, and they will do when we exit.

There are more EU ex-pats in the UK than the 2 million ex-pats living in the EU, if they want a tit for tat policy then the EU will come of worse, same with trade, we import far more than we export, they claim 3 million UK jobs will be at risk if we exit, but fail to mention the 8 million EU jobs that will equally be at risk as well.

If I need a visa to visit Spain then so be it. That's what we did in the 70's, and we came in our millions year in year out. Do you think Spain and other Med countries would really make it difficult and lose all our tourists, 12 million last year and more this year with the mess in Turkey and the middle east making Spain more attractive than ever.

35% of the Spanish tourist trade comes from the UK, do you really think they will make it difficult for us to visit?

When it comes to the vote, instead of looking selfishly at how it effects me today, I will look at how it will effect the future of everyone in the UK for the generations to come, for my children and my grandchildren, so if it may be difficult for the first years, and financially I will be worse off possibly, I will vote to exit, as I believe that the future generations of our country will thank me for doing so.

Our Grandparents fought two wars to stop German dictatorship of Europe, do we really want to ignore their sacrifice and give away everything they fought for to have a few more quid in our pension and a winter fuel allowance.

Mike
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colb
On The Green

United Kingdom
239 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  20:06:38  Show Profile  Visit colb's Homepage  Click to see colb's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Well said Mike. Our youngsters are struggling now to find gainful employment god help them in years to come if we don't put an end to this mass influx of immigrants. We are only an island, and a very small,one at that, and we are going to start falling off the edge if we don't control it now. The strain on our health services is stretched to max our older people are made to work longer. When are we going to start putting British citizens first?
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petesa
On The Green

Spain
541 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  22:30:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pricemi

Brits went to Spain on holiday and to their holiday homes, and bought property, well before the EU became what it is today, and they will do when we exit.

There are more EU ex-pats in the UK than the 2 million ex-pats living in the EU, if they want a tit for tat policy then the EU will come of worse, same with trade, we import far more than we export, they claim 3 million UK jobs will be at risk if we exit, but fail to mention the 8 million EU jobs that will equally be at risk as well.

If I need a visa to visit Spain then so be it. That's what we did in the 70's, and we came in our millions year in year out. Do you think Spain and other Med countries would really make it difficult and lose all our tourists, 12 million last year and more this year with the mess in Turkey and the middle east making Spain more attractive than ever.

35% of the Spanish tourist trade comes from the UK, do you really think they will make it difficult for us to visit?

When it comes to the vote, instead of looking selfishly at how it effects me today, I will look at how it will effect the future of everyone in the UK for the generations to come, for my children and my grandchildren, so if it may be difficult for the first years, and financially I will be worse off possibly, I will vote to exit, as I believe that the future generations of our country will thank me for doing so.

Our Grandparents fought two wars to stop German dictatorship of Europe, do we really want to ignore their sacrifice and give away everything they fought for to have a few more quid in our pension and a winter fuel allowance.


I wasnt implying that they go all out to make it difficult to come to Spain:-), we know people will still come but it will cost more, in fact a poll turned up a figure of about 30% would consider moving out on retirement and not just for the sun My daughter is a Lawyer for a German pharmaceutical company a good job probably not possible had we not been part of Europe at the time.Germany have dropped a few clangers we know but are still good trading partners with more skills than us'. With one of the largest trade deficits in the world Brexit would sink us and George Soros would be lining his pockets again and on that basis Im in.
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pricemi
Forum Admin

Spain
3967 Posts

Posted - 14/02/2016 :  23:34:13  Show Profile  Visit pricemi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
60% of our exports are to outside the EU, but 60% of our imports come from the EU. The trade difference is a whopping £180 billion we spend on buying stuff from the EU than they buy off us, so my guess is if we both stopped importing to/from each other we would be £180 billion better off, and might have a manufacturing sector again as we would build cars and washing machines rather than import them.

On top of which we would still be able and willing to go on holiday to Spain, and they would be glad we did as we would no longer be buying their cars and broccoli, so could do with the extra income.

Ultimately I believe this would lead to a break up of the EU, as other countries would follow our lead. Germany, which exports £300 billion more than it imports from the EU will obviously do all that it can to not let this happen, but keep the faith folks and don't believe the hype.

Mike
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marlyn
Teeing Off

Spain
67 Posts

Posted - 24/02/2016 :  09:33:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Mike, where did you get your 60% from? The reason I ask is that with this sort of debate trading figures can be a strong argument as to whether we are better off in or out of the EU. I have found these figures
"From a continental perspective, 53.6% of UK exports by value are delivered to European trade partners while 22.5% are sold to Asian importers. United Kingdom ships another 16.1% to North America but just 2.6% to Africa"

http://www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-top-import-partners/

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/international-transactions/outward-foreign-affiliates-statistics/how-important-is-the-european-union-to-uk-trade-and-investment-/sty-eu.html

Martin

Edited by - marlyn on 24/02/2016 09:36:28
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pricemi
Forum Admin

Spain
3967 Posts

Posted - 28/02/2016 :  22:22:03  Show Profile  Visit pricemi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The UK has traditionally had strong trade links with the EU. Despite changes in the composition of the global economy, the EU in 2014 accounted for 44.6% of UK exports of goods and services, and 53.2% of UK imports of goods and services. However, strong economic growth in many developing economies outside the EU has resulted in non-EU economies growing in importance to UK trade, with the proportion accounted for by the EU falling consistently since 1999, despite the value of EU trade increasing.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/international-transactions/outward-foreign-affiliates-statistics/how-important-is-the-european-union-to-uk-trade-and-investment-/sty-eu.html

Mike
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